How can local communities work together with the police to make neighbourhoods safer? How would you like to hear from the police? What kind of activities would you like to see in your neighbourhood?
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a local FB page updating on significant incidents and risks we can help to reduce.
The crime reporting system in Tower Hamlets borough is broken. The number 101 doesn't work. People get frustrated over lack of reaction to ASB, crime dealing and NOx littering.
Lack of funding by government and redcution of police numbers and closure of police stations at a time when knife crime and acid attacks are growing is ridiculous. The police need real increase in funding rather than just switching existing funding around. All political parties are guilty of making safe neighbourhoods more dangerous.
You are right. I totally agree with your point
Spot on John
Not Facebook please. Enough of these US tech companies.
More involvement and maintain Safer Neighbourhood teams. By direct communication. More presence on the streets.
More visible patrols in my local neighbourhood. I have not seen a foot patrol POLICE OFFICER for a long time.
Foot patrols are popular, but illusory. If an officer is visible to you, they're visible to the criminal, who just waits for them to go away. An officer on foot can't chase at speed, so can only phone for motorised support, which any member of the public can do on 999. Better to spend their time investigating crimes which have actually happened, not wandering aimlessly about hoping to deter something which hasn't taken place. What does deter is the risk of getting caught and convicted, so CCTV is much more useful - provided the police have time to investigate.
Stronger penalties from the judiciary. All crimes involving blades, just even possession, should have minimum mandatory custodial sentences. Possession of prohibited drugs should also have minimum mandatory custodial sentences based upon the type and quantity of drug with severe sentences for dealers.
Anti community crimes such as burglary, assault, theft, etc should be severely punished regardless of the age of the culprits to act as both punishment or deterrent.
Additional punishments should be legalised such as withdrawl of passport rights, driving licence, taxpayer funded welfare benefits,etc.
Criminals holding foreign nationality should have deportation automatically added to their sentence.
I agree with everything you have written. Build more prisons. Get these criminals off the street.
Totally agree 100%. It just a fraction of these points were implemented things will improve.
Perhaps actually answering the 101 number. Twice this year I tried to use it and both times gave up after being on hold for over 45 minutes.
We need a police presence. All of our local police stations have closed, we never see the police on the streets and when I reported a crime online I didn't even get an acknowledgement let alone any indication that the police had any interest in investigating. Two of our closest neighbours had break-ins last Christmas but there was no sign the police were interested - no house to house enquiries, no warning to the rest of us that we might be at risk, no security advice.
A growing number of people have CCTV at home. It would be good if the police made more use of evidence gathered from home CCTV systems.
I believe the police have gone down my street many times and assumed that there are no CCTV cameras they can download-from.
The police should have a database of domestic CCTV systems in an area. I would readily volunteer to be on such a system.
I have seen murderers running away, carjackings, intruders and much more from my cameras. I have SO many times had the police in to get footage because I have had to tell them that I have cameras and so-and-such incident has been caught on my cameras. They generally say "we never thought there were any cameras in this street".
The impact of cyclists with helmet cameras on securing convictions of dangerous drivers is noticeable. Now that so many people have smart phones with cameras, any member of the public witnessing a crime can gather valuable evidence - much more easily than the occasional foot patrol officer who happens to be where a crime takes place. We don't have to risk our safety by tackling the criminal, but filming evidence is real community policing, without vigilantes.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. The potential that home CCTV provides is something that is currently being explored, in particular from a neighbourhood watch perspective. There are privacy concerns when it comes to home CCTV. But, trials are being run where personal CCTV can only be shared with officers. In this trial, the CCTV footage is sent via a secure online tool to the relevant officers. If you have any other good ideas then please share them!
This may sound strange, but what if you only have email, what if you're not on FB or any others like that and what if you only have landline and (heavens to betsy) NO mobile phone ? :-)
Will preclude a lot of older people then
There should be open public meetings between the police and local residents. i am not aware of any such meetings currently and I would have thought that such meetings, held once a quarter, would be very helpful.
Only useful if held at safe place and a convenient time and there was enough police present to have individual sit down chats to hear about problems. Then the big thing - act on the problems without political or "Human rights" interference.
It appears we are lucky in Bromley as we have regular public meetings (4 times a year) with police, council, fire and ambulance managers usually present, also trading standards officer. Although we are one of the largest but least well covered by police numbers boroughs the meetings are rotated around the borough
We've had meetings but they're always in the evening.
My commitments have me getting up at 04:00 and falling asleep at 19:00 so evenings are out of the question.
Something during the day please.
Hi there, thanks for your getting involved in this discussion. The police and residents have meetings in most boroughs in London. There are hyper-local level Ward Panel meetings, and borough-level Safer Neighbourhood Boards (SNB) where the police and public get together to talk about local crime and safety issues and priorities.
If you want to tell us what borough you live/ work in, we’d be happy to connect you to them - You can email [email protected]. They also have Annual General Meetings that are open to the public. Alternatively, the police in a local area also do surgeries and “cuppa with a copper” across London. Check out the “my area” page of the Met Police website to find out more about your local area: https://www.met.police.uk/a/your-area/
More foot patrols. I used to live in Kensington and saw the odd patrol. I now live in North Westminster and have never seen a police officer out of a car.
Police should patrol Tower Hamlets and Shoreditch on foot and all areas where drug dealers control the streets.
Police should be in control, NOT the drug dealers who appear to deal on the streets with impunity. Any suspicious cars should be searched thoroughly by mobile armed police units.
The police generally tend to disregard drug infractions. Why? In most cases it is because all the work and effort to get a drug dealer to Court usually leads to a short suspended sentence or something similar.
If a person is charged with dealing drugs they should be kept in custody (kept off the streets, kept from returning to their turf). The case should be heard within 14 days even if the Courts have to go into overtime and a mandatory minimum deterrent custodial sentence awarded. Heavy handed police raids should be mounted in places that start to become "no go" and "druggie" areas. I would really like to see the Singapore regime introduced - very small soft drugs found just a short prison sentence plus a beating. Hard drugs and dealer quantity of soft drugs found then death by hanging. Soon run out of dealers.
1. try to involve younger people in the Safer Neighbourhood meetings. Ours are attended by a few elderly people, nearly all white, not representative of the community.
2. make promotion in the Met dependent on having done at least 2 years, if not more, walking the beat. Raise the status of beat officers and community support officers.
Fully agree, without this experience any advance in rank has no background. Except for highly specialised appointments that require a subject degree qualification there should be no more graduate engagements as officers Inspector or above. All promotions must be made on ability, knowledge, merit and promotion qualification courses. Direct recruitment of graduates produces too many educated idiots.
Police have stopped doing foot patrols, attending to breakins, car thefts, antisocial behaviour. Groups can sell drugs outside Dollis Hill tube station no action, people regularly jump the barriers no action. So where are the police and what are they doing? It makes no difference on how many police there are if they are never seen and they never do anything.
The subject of this discussion shows us exactly what's wrong with the Mayor's approach to policing and exactly why crime in London is soaring under his leadership. Policing is not about going to tea with the locals, while the criminals run riot out on the street. Policing is about fighting crime. When resources are tight, it is important to prioritise day-to-day policing over PR gimmicks like this. The best way for the police to impress the locals would be to be seen on the beat. People on this forum are saying that the police do not even answer their non-urgent telephone helpline. I think the police need to focus on getting this right, not spend more time out of the office attending "community engagement" events.
Agree with Alison 100%
Absolutely agree. Seems they’ve forgotten policing means getting out and being seen, not writing blogs and tweeting.
Alison, Your comments are absolutely correct! Regrettably, however, whilst I would hope that Sadiq Khan gets to read this I strongly suspect it will actually be kept from him as it is not what he wants to hear or read and it is not sufficiently PC.
Thank you for sharing your views, AlisonPrice. The police need the active support of the communities they serve, and engagement is key to this. Are there any events in your area, and what are they? How could they be improved?
Please stop abstracting my SNT Police PC’s - andvallow them the time to investigate and deal with victims of crime on their own Wards. Their numbers have been reduced too far and the sergeants are overstretched in their monitoring and supervising roles.
Definately improve the 101 service - and improve the call handling times to reduce the call waiting times that members of the public have experienced - over 45 mIns seems an average to answer a 101 call - which is a shocking statistic and is TOTALLY inexcusable.
I have been attempting to contact our liaison officer in oredr to restart our Neighbourhoodwatch scheme for months. No response and so we continue without one. We have litterin, dumping of household furniture in the streets, car crime which iinvestigated but simply given a number for insurance purposes and I cant remember when I last saw a loiceofficer actually patrolling on foot in this area. I have seen numerous sets of horse riding police officers clopping about which I understand are required but dont think they are going to catch many moped thieves on horseback. Its a serious issue, I have no clue which police station I would go to to report a crime because they all seem to be closed. I am in SE3 and I am sure we are not the worst by far. The police need more resources, more manpower abd frankly I would happily pay more tax if it was specifically spent on policing.
You're lucky you even get a police patrol on horseback. We haven't had them for years. There's no evidence of horses on the roads and footpaths anymore either.
Hi Arnie. Great to hear that you have been trying to get a neighbourhood watch scheme started. If you want to give us an email at [email protected] then we would be happy to help you.
To solve crimes requires pro active policing not responsive policing , if wasting resources by having high up officers chatting rubbish at community meeting is modern policing no wonder were in such a bad state
I think the focus on neighbourhoods and local areas is a distraction. London is a very well connected city and I have friends & family all over the place, therefore I want to be safe wherever I go. Knowing what the police are up to on my doorstep is no use if I spend most evenings socialising outside of my borough.
Exactly. I don't need to be told again and again what the police are going to do, I just want them to be out visibly doing it. And if it means the Inspectors and Chief Inspectors stop talking to the media and get out on the beat then all the better.
You should be able to get local info on the Met website by checking on the areas you are going to - put in the post code.
Where I am it is hard to report, for example, suspicious lurking people, except by calling 999. There should be better communication for people wanting to report local antisocial behaviour and minor stuff when it is happening, without dialling 999.
But yes, the coverage should be consistently good whereever we go.
Thank you for joining the discussion, Luke. Have you seen the “My Area” page on the Met police website where you can look at what’s happening across London:https://www.met.police.uk/a/your-area/ . This might be helpful for when you’re out and about in any borough.
Thanks for the link MOFP. However, I find these hyper-localised reports aren't very useful for people on the move. For example, I went to a party at a friend's house over the summer. Looking at the stats for her postcode, it looks like a safe enough area. What it doesn't mention is that if I get on the bus a few minutes down the road to a local overground station: the crime rate increases 4 fold, there's dark alleyways with no CCTV and the police are nowhere to be seen on a Saturday night. My point is that Londoners are constantly on the move from one area to the next, so localised police reports aren't especially helpful. We need more joined up policing across administrive boundaries, not a focus on neighbourhoods.
Our local police officers in the SNP actually laugh as they stand in their office and watch the phone ring whilst ignoring it so they can carry on doing nothing all day.
I've just completed a safer neighbourhood survey and one of the sets of questions asked about my neighbourhood which was determined as within fifteen minutes walk. So one of the questions asked if everyone in the neighbourhood had the same values. I can't possibly know everyones values in the set neighbourhood. So it is too large an area for any answers to be meaningful. A smaller area should be allowed.
I thought it was a dumb question. I guess it means are there any Muslims not sharing "British values"? I don't see how that's relevant to fighting violent crime, though.
Thought it a weird question also, how do I know?
A question that should not be asked. It is irrelevant to upholding the law, and is none of their concern, and in itself smacks of racialist thinking.
There should be more police on the streets to prevent and deal with crime. They should be a visual deterrent as well as force to solve crimes not a token gesture while the country falls in to anarchy. They need to earn people’s respect and trust because of the lack of results and response. The police had my respect when I was growing up but that was when they were actually real police officers on the street not these plastic coppers. We need to invest in our police force and stop wasting our money on fringe projects. We need to look after the masses and if there is money left over then diversify.